Post by goldenratio on Dec 4, 2019 11:18:31 GMT -5
Production, once again, does not paint the full picture, and nobody demonstrates that more than Oregon linebacker Troy Dye. While he stacks up a load of solo tackles and will be one of the top in his class in production, the majority of those tackles come six yards off the ball, where Dye tends to stay.
Dye’s solo tackles over the past four years have been 56, 62, 64, and now 42 this year. He has stacked up tackles behind the line of scrimmage and sacks, because he can successfully come on the blitz, but he, overall, is not effective at shedding blockers or initiating contact at the point of attack.
Stuck as sort of a tweener in this class, a linebacker in a safety’s body without the skills of a safety, Dye will test well, more than likely near the top of the linebacker class. At 6-4 and 226 pounds, he is bigger than most safeties and smaller than most linebackers; he may have a market given the passing tendency of the NFL now, but he has not shown much in the department of playmaking at the point of attack.
Post by goldenratio on Dec 4, 2019 11:32:41 GMT -5
I watched a highlights of Guard Shane Lemieux last night stoney.....I went in thinking I was going to love the dude based on everything I had read about him.... But I started watching and all i kept thinking was
"Shane lemieux is small....But he is so small... Man he is small"bu the isn't small? WTF? lol
What's the deal? was that last season? Did he grow any this year? does he have enough anchor.
We like BIG BUTTS not little Heinees! But the dude is a vry good college player with lots of press and media glowing over him....But
The big question always is :
WILL HIS GAME TRANSLATE? CAN HE DO IT AT THE NEXT LEVEL?
Finally, after trading out of the first spot and receiving a haul from the Dallas Cowboys to move to the back, the New York Giants are on the clock with the last pick of this 2020 NFL Draft of Collegiate Coaches. With the eighth and final pick, the New York Giants select James Franklin, Penn State.
To be fair, this pick would be great for numerous reasons: Saquon Barkley reunites with his former college coach and the man who recruited him, and we get to see Franklin stand in front of and face the New York media. Former first round pick Daniel Jones also has the skillset of Franklin’s run-heavy, read-option based offense as he is plenty mobile.
Post by stonedinvestor on Dec 5, 2019 8:28:00 GMT -5
YOU GUYS ARE ON FIRE-!
Big day today, first off I have to give a huge compliment to this entire board this entire site... no one here has jumped for the bait of Eli' starting and what that all means and as the press fulminates and churns and is so excited they finally have something to write about we all know better... Propaganda? Is Danny really hurt that bad... is this is a way to protect the FALLING FAST in ranking Dimes.. does the coach know he's a goner... or does he think if he stops the bleeding Right Now where Danny is at if he could just freeze things now could we say Danny is making progress the way he holds the ball with two hands and does a little shoulder shrug now.. is that enough...
GR) On Mr Dye.-- I don't think he's perfect. I've screened three full games and probably will finish with some more.
“Troy impacts our program in so many ways with his passion, leadership and love for the game,” Oregon coach Mario Cristobal said. “He leads by example and is someone his teammates look up to. Troy is a difference-maker every snap that he is on the field, and his desire to be great helps elevate our culture to the next level.”
I here the argument that tackles are made after guys blow past their DL but the Stats Don't lie-! -leading the team in tackles for three straight seasons, only the third Duck to do so since 1970.
Over the summer Rotoworld’s 2020 Mock Draft has the Los Angeles Rams selecting Dye at No. 32 overall. The Rams, who failed to address their linebacking need until the seventh round of the 2019 draft, have their eye on the speedy and versatile Dye.
...Now I'm saying due to the very same ' faults ' in other people's eyes I can find this guy possibly 4th round 3rd to 4th which I think is great! Because I gots to cover me some tight ends!!!!-->and you're saying fifth round? ... No way. walter football says:
Dye could have been an early-round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft, but he decided to return for his senior year.
Your point is Troy Dye has had such a bad season this year setting all those records that he has fallen from an early round pick top 5th round. Do you really want to stick with that argument. Yikes. Lets Focus we need fast athletic defenders who happen to be SMART.
Folks lets keep this real. I think what happened is Mat miller at one point said Troy was making too many tackles down the field after big gains against Oklahoma. Fine. That's pretty good offense and maybe they got rolled. I'm not throwing away 4 years of hard work on that! I think there is a problem with his size is he too slight he has to put on weight/ and the weigh in will be huge for Troy.
Skill-Set Summary: What makes Dye special for the NFL is his ability to defend on third down. Dye is an athletic linebacker who can run. He has the speed to match up on tight ends in man and can handle running backs out of the backfield. Linebackers with length, quickness and athleticism like Dye's can often play man coverage on tight ends and are tough commodities to find, so Dye will have serious appeal to NFL defensive coordinators.
On top of having some man-coverage skills, Dye shows the ability to function well in zone coverage, covering a lot of ground and getting depth in his drop. He has good vision and reads plays well to disrupt throwing lanes. That talent can be seen in the amount of passes broken up he has totaled over his career. Dye is very ball aware, slapping the ball out of receivers' hands and going for strips.
Along with his cover skills, Dye is a dangerous blitzer with the ability to affect the quarterback. He has a straight-line burst with serious closing speed to hunt the signal-caller. Dye probably won't be used as a pass-rusher often in the NFL, but he has blitzing ability and can contribute to the rush.
Any negatives. yes!
Dye is a solid run defender as well. He reads his keys well and fires to the ball-carrier to limit gains. There are times when Dye really violently jars ball-carriers. For the NFL, Dye could stand to tackle lower, as he has the tendency to go too high. That tendency could lead to some missed tackles in the pros due to bouncing off pro tailbacks. He also could stand to improve his ability to take on and shed blocks. All college linebackers need help with that becayse NFL offensive linemen are a different level of strength, size and quickness.
2020 NFL Draft Expectations: Entering his senior season, Dye has early-round potential for the 2020 NFL Draft.
When chasing down the ball carrier, he also shows excellent speed. And, thanks to his long 6-4 frame, he does a solid job bringing them down. At times, he can play out of control and get out of position. He also doesn’t look for contact and too often relies on his front to keep him clean.
Dye is only 225 pounds coming into the 2019 season and, sometimes, he can get washed out of a play. He’s not an instinctive linebacker but he has value in coverage. Because of his apparent length and speed, he can match up against tight ends and running backs. He moves well in space and does a solid job closing in on the ball when dropped into zone coverage.
For the NFL, Dye could function as an inside linebacker in a 3-4 or 4-3 defense. He is an excellent fit for a 3-4 with his ability to drop into coverage and blitz the quarterback.
As of now, he’s a lock as a day-two prospect in the 2020 NFL Draft. If he can add weight and get stronger, he’s likely to shoot up draft boards. <--- Guess who will weigh in heavier! Currently, Dye is the modern-day prototypical fit on the weak side in a 4-3 scheme with room to grow as an overall linebacker. 4-3 as well. Hummm
Plays well in space and can bounce out to cover receivers. Has a great range of motion and is a smart player who is relied upon to make calls on the field under new head coach Willie Taggert and defensive coordinator Jim Leavitt. He played under Mark Helfrich and Brady Hoke during his freshman season, collecting 91 tackles, including 12 tackles for a loss and five and a half sacks in ten games. Became the mouthpiece for the Ducks early on in his career as a freshman and was often the one sent out to meet with media after tough losses and made no secrets about the need for holding the team accountable—highly competitive.
Bottom Line-- Hey he's not perfect. My aim here was is to highlight a few PAC 12 names I know the Giants are interested in or soon will be... like Shane Lemieux, Oregon: The 6’4” senior is experienced, athletic and extremely technically sound. He is a great run blocker and solid pass blocker. Key Stat: 38 Consecutive Starts.
Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin: While Andrew Thomas might be the best offensive tackle, Tyler Biadasz is arguably the best offensive linemen, period, among this group. Biadasz is a nasty run blocker who has been integral in Wisconsin’s dominant run game the last few years. He is athletic, big and could play guard as well. Biadasz will be a long time NFL difference maker.
Second Team: Nick Harris, Washington<--- And here is another name that has been percolating in the background... We should take a look at Mr Harris
Isaiah Simmons, Clemson: Remains my personal top pick. I can trade back just a bit and nab him along with an OT. Shhhhhhhhhh. Lets keep that quiet. Key Stat: Quadrupled his sack numbers and surpassed his TFL numbers from last year in half as many games.
Of these later round Linebackers I'm partial to
Evan Weaver, Cal: Cal’s Here's a guy i think will draw some detractors as well... but we all know how to spot these long haired crazy white boys out of Cali by now. Another slightly undersized guy The 6’3” senior has an excellent football IQ while playing fast and physical football. Key Stat: 105 total tackles in SEVEN GAMES. <-----
Troy Dye, Oregon: Oregon’s defense has been an outstanding, physical group this year. The secondary gets a lot of attention but Troy Dye is the real time setter in the middle of the Ducks. The senior linebacker plays like his hair is on fire. He’s a non-stop tackling machine who flies around the field and bring the hit. He’s tough as nails and his energy on the field seems to catalyze the rest of the defense. He’s a bit undersized, but there’s nothing small about how he plays. Key Stat: Not a stat, but Dye broke his hand early in Oregon’s game against Washington but he cast up his whole arm and played through the rest of the game to help the Ducks get a huge win. Key Stat: 4 Forced Fumbles this year.
Post by stonedinvestor on Dec 5, 2019 9:08:53 GMT -5
I have been spending an unusual amount of time looking at specific types of players. Mainly defensive. I've got to help fix this defense.
A player I'm also taking a big shine to I should of grouped him with the other linebackers... is the Temple player. Shaun Bradley. Super under the radar playing for Temple Bradley is a sure tackler and very fast on the field. Really stands out (of course that's compared to the other Owls)
// Racking up 236 total tackles in three seasons as a starter. He has three interceptions and five pass breakups in his career. He has also tallied three forced fumbles, 21 TFLs, and 2.0 sacks.
// His combination of size and speed is perfect for an NFL linebacker.
Evan Weaver, Troy Dye, Shaun Bradley 3 names to remember.
Bradley has accepted an invitation to the in the NFLPA All-Star Game in Pasadena, California on Jan. 18, <<-- I did say DEEP!
Part of being a linebacker is when you make the plays and that seems to be Bradley's forte. Take this review of the Temple Maryland game:
Offensively, Maryland running back Anthony McFarland was the star of the game, but Bradley did the most to help his team win. The stats included 8 tackles, 3 TFLs, and 1 PBU. The timeliness of Bradley’s tackles was critical. Late in the fourth quarter, as Maryland was driving towards the end zone to take the lead, Bradley made a huge tackle on McFarland on a fourth-and-goal to end the drive. A three-down defender in the NFL.<---- ranked No 23 by walter football!!!!
Post by stonedinvestor on Dec 5, 2019 10:11:44 GMT -5
Very familiar GR!
Fist off Aleric jackson brought to us by Homer. What i know obviously is he has played a long time at offesnive tackle there at least three years. Love the coach and atmosphere at Iowa and the offense so I think all of that bodes well. What I like about him... I think we are going to see a new trend in the offensive lines EXTREMELY LARGE PEOPLE TREND-- I'm first in the press with this theory and it's still half baked... give me some time, but the days of finding an all pro, nimble and quick great athletic Dancing Bear LT may be over it may be time to be searching for monsters.. 320, 340, even bigger.... Six foot six is my new happy height.
Alaric happens to be a gargantuan 6-foot-7 !!!and weighs 320 pounds!!! Pretty slim. and has quick feet So this is a GREAtTcall Homer-- he has his drawbacks honestly the axe murder from Georgia Ben Cleveland 6-6, 315-pound is a better prospect i think. But I love " other guys " you know Tristan Wharfs is really going to blow up come draft time. Like him a lot!!! I was leaning towards him along with Isaiah Simmons Give Iowa props though two quality guys.
Chase Surratt- We did a piece on him somewhere the x QB Turned LB was it last year,... when he was switching to LB we covered it... 1st team all ACC!!! Can't beat that in your first year at a position. Surratt is the type of guy I'm talking about. GR we are going to fill the defensive field of play full off darn athletes who can really run!!!
One thing we know Surrat is big and fast. Two years ago, many looked at Surratt as the reason UNC lost to Duke at home. With his team trailing by three points with four minutes left, the then-redshirt first-year quarterback threw an awkward two-handed interception that sealed the Tar Heels’ fate...... Wait For it....
Surratt didn’t know any of the defensive coverages in the spring and “barely knew how to get his stance straight.” .. wait for it...
Flash Forward) )...Eighteen seconds remained. The Blue Devils trailed by three at the Tar Heels’ 1-yard line. Duke quarterback Quentin Harris handed the ball off to running back Deon Jackson, Jackson jumped up and threw it, attempting to hit tight end Noah Gray in the endzone.
Instead, it was UNC linebacker Chazz Surratt who leapt up to grab the ball. The interception allowed the Tar Heels to beat the Blue Devils, 20-17, for the program’s first win over its archrival since 2015.
Story book stuff) ) ) He beat the team he lost to the year before at QB by intercepting the ball as LB... But Is he just a special teams player in the NFL or something much more?
Post by stonedinvestor on Dec 5, 2019 10:27:29 GMT -5
On Paddy Fisher, LB (Jr., 6-4, 241) I think he will come out. Could get drafted pretty high. Not sure about his value. Pretty good against pass and run. Fisher could have left for the NFL last year apparently that I find strange but he has a very nice size 6-foot-4, 246-pound. The guys that do not like him point to a lack of TFL's and basically the same stuff they were knocking Dye for! I have not seen a lot of Northwestern games! So I really cannot say with any accuracy... Paddy is a smart guy and I think a good MLB. Is This a Round 3 guy? Then I'm interested... for sure just not Round 2..
Post by goldenratio on Dec 5, 2019 10:31:10 GMT -5
Teaser... there are a couple of small school guys including a couple of LBs a Safety and a TE and an OT, this year that could bring it come the senior bowl....We may want to wait and see though.... we've seen this movie before..... We have to see them against better competition first....
STAY TUNED! The Stoney show will return momentarily!
daytripper: NFT= non football topic? i didnt know that. im old and trying to keep up lol
Jan 23, 2020 10:35:16 GMT -5
56801steve: and he's staying as classless as he is
Jan 20, 2020 11:48:56 GMT -5
56801steve: so he'll pay a fine.
Jan 20, 2020 11:39:28 GMT -5
56801steve: he actually slapped a cops but, hard. he was 'lit up', but forgiveness isnt given for being drunk a bit.
Jan 20, 2020 11:39:18 GMT -5
rjb2006: The Eagles just made chicken salad with 1/2their team consisting of subs and practice squad players...
Dec 29, 2019 20:04:02 GMT -5
frateb: man, for a second i thought detroit was going to pull this one out... i think that would have given us a chance to get as low as 2nd again?
Dec 29, 2019 16:19:47 GMT -5
56801steve: i really like your signature, negative v positive outlooks.....its so true
Dec 29, 2019 16:10:20 GMT -5
UncleJoe10: I thought Buck Allen ran hard and would keep him aboard as a nice power running back up to Saquan.
Dec 16, 2019 17:16:56 GMT -5
bronxpinstripes: Danny Dimes solved the fumbling problem against the Packers by throwing 3 INTs instead.
Dec 2, 2019 11:05:46 GMT -5
rodney27: You're right about the fumbling problem, tl65taog. I just don't think it can be fixed. He had in preseason, has it at a record pace now, and had the same problem at Duke. If he hasn't fixed it in all that time...I just don't know if he can.
Nov 29, 2019 8:26:07 GMT -5
tl65taog: yes the fumbling problem has to be fixed, but you have to be fair about it
Nov 26, 2019 0:40:25 GMT -5
homerj45: Any other members go thru prostate cancer ?
Nov 8, 2019 10:04:09 GMT -5
soullessnight: welcome to the board.
Sept 2, 2019 14:33:34 GMT -5
GordonG: Have fun and be safe
Jun 22, 2019 13:34:10 GMT -5
lastnamejaded: Summer is here! Who's vacationing and where? I'll be doing a southern tour visiting Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee and Arkansas, hiking trails in every state.
Jun 10, 2019 11:01:04 GMT -5
gmenfan: Jeez - the original post was about Zeke Elliott.
May 23, 2019 14:39:51 GMT -5
homerj45: Normally I would ignore a post with arrived to camp with a helicopter but,,,,back at ya,,,
Feb 14, 2019 19:09:22 GMT -5