Toney is allegedly on the market

[goldenratio]

Oct 20, 2022 15:26:27 GMT -5 @moecoastie said:

Oct 19, 2022 20:29:48 GMT -5 boondocksaint88 said:

I think that perhaps the Giants organization should share the blame IMO. The trainers are supposed to rehab these guys properly. Sometimes one injury causes another by compensation. Did Toney come back too soon from the previous hammy injuries? I think that they're being extra cautious this time with the rehab. We probably wont see him until after the Bye week. When we do see him again he'll probably be on a pitch count for a few games. It's going to be more important to have him healthy down the stretch than playing right now.

A recent study in The Physician and Sportsmedicine examined recurrence rates among hamstring strains in the NFL from 2009 to 2020. Of the over 2,000 hamstring injuries examined, 38.4 percent were recurrences from prior injury. Furthermore, the researchers determined that wide receivers were at a greater level of risk for a hamstring recurrence in the same season of the initial injury, and any subsequent season moving forward. Finally, the study showed that the greatest risk for reinjury occurred when the injured athlete returned within two weeks of the initial strain.



Patience is a virtue.

What? WRs are injury prone? Who woulda thunk it?

Keenan Allen, the chargers WR pulled a hammy this past Sunday.

I'd guess (purely a guess) that there are at least 2 to 3 players on every roster every week with players that are dealing with pulled muscles (mostly hamstrings). So maybe about 100 players each and every week. It would be an interesting factoid to research.

[pierce007]

Oct 20, 2022 15:23:32 GMT -5 Ashburn said:

No GM would trade for an injured player....unless you are Brian Cashman.

…or, Dave Gettleman 😉

[Big Red]

Oct 19, 2022 15:47:47 GMT -5 calliesdad2019 said:

What do you think the giants could get for him 
and what team might deal for him ?
can’t imagine it would be a lot in return

Any GM will listen to offers but how do we know he is on "the market"?  People said this all off season and during camp about Slayton and look at how they went?

[Big Red]

Oct 19, 2022 19:46:43 GMT -5 boondocksaint88 said:

I hope Schoen hasn't changed his mind.

I wish the press would stop spreading rumors.

I think everyone, Toney, the Giants, the Fans. We all want him to return and contribute.

Wait what?? But, but he is "allegedly on the Market" the thread title says so!

[Carson53]

Oct 19, 2022 20:29:48 GMT -5 boondocksaint88 said:

I think that perhaps the Giants organization should share the blame IMO. The trainers are supposed to rehab these guys properly. Sometimes one injury causes another by compensation. Did Toney come back too soon from the previous hammy injuries? I think that they're being extra cautious this time with the rehab. We probably wont see him until after the Bye week. When we do see him again he'll probably be on a pitch count for a few games. It's going to be more important to have him healthy down the stretch than playing right now.

A recent study in The Physician and Sportsmedicine examined recurrence rates among hamstring strains in the NFL from 2009 to 2020. Of the over 2,000 hamstring injuries examined, 38.4 percent were recurrences from prior injury. Furthermore, the researchers determined that wide receivers were at a greater level of risk for a hamstring recurrence in the same season of the initial injury, and any subsequent season moving forward. Finally, the study showed that the greatest risk for reinjury occurred when the injured athlete returned within two weeks of the initial strain.



Patience is a virtue.

Of course the training staff screwed up. But let’s put them in the ring of honor.

[VeraChuckDave]

It is equally true that Toney is an allegedly good Football player.

[Big Red]

Oct 22, 2022 8:46:25 GMT -5 Carson53 said:

Oct 19, 2022 20:29:48 GMT -5 boondocksaint88 said:

I think that perhaps the Giants organization should share the blame IMO. The trainers are supposed to rehab these guys properly. Sometimes one injury causes another by compensation. Did Toney come back too soon from the previous hammy injuries? I think that they're being extra cautious this time with the rehab. We probably wont see him until after the Bye week. When we do see him again he'll probably be on a pitch count for a few games. It's going to be more important to have him healthy down the stretch than playing right now.

A recent study in The Physician and Sportsmedicine examined recurrence rates among hamstring strains in the NFL from 2009 to 2020. Of the over 2,000 hamstring injuries examined, 38.4 percent were recurrences from prior injury. Furthermore, the researchers determined that wide receivers were at a greater level of risk for a hamstring recurrence in the same season of the initial injury, and any subsequent season moving forward. Finally, the study showed that the greatest risk for reinjury occurred when the injured athlete returned within two weeks of the initial strain.



Patience is a virtue.

Of course the training staff screwed up. But let’s put them in the ring of honor.

That's what is said when a fan doesn't know a what happen.

[Big Red]

Oct 19, 2022 20:29:48 GMT -5 boondocksaint88 said:

I think that perhaps the Giants organization should share the blame IMO. The trainers are supposed to rehab these guys properly. Sometimes one injury causes another by compensation. Did Toney come back too soon from the previous hammy injuries? I think that they're being extra cautious this time with the rehab. We probably wont see him until after the Bye week. When we do see him again he'll probably be on a pitch count for a few games. It's going to be more important to have him healthy down the stretch than playing right now.

A recent study in The Physician and Sportsmedicine examined recurrence rates among hamstring strains in the NFL from 2009 to 2020. Of the over 2,000 hamstring injuries examined, 38.4 percent were recurrences from prior injury. Furthermore, the researchers determined that wide receivers were at a greater level of risk for a hamstring recurrence in the same season of the initial injury, and any subsequent season moving forward. Finally, the study showed that the greatest risk for reinjury occurred when the injured athlete returned within two weeks of the initial strain.



Patience is a virtue.

BS, you know the trainers didn't rehab him how?

[Carson53]

The discussion was that he came back before he was ready. If that's right then yes it's on the training staff. Are you friends with them?

[Big Red]

Oct 22, 2022 15:11:35 GMT -5 Carson53 said:

The discussion was that he came back before he was ready. If that's right then yes it's on the training staff. Are you friends with them?

You do realize it was a different hamstring? Since you  know very little on how the training staff works how are you qualified to make the call?

[boondocksaint88]

Oct 22, 2022 15:15:37 GMT -5 Big Red said:

Oct 22, 2022 15:11:35 GMT -5 Carson53 said:

The discussion was that he came back before he was ready. If that's right then yes it's on the training staff. Are you friends with them?

You do realize it was a different hamstring? Since you  know very little on how the training staff works how are you qualified to make the call?

Toney himself said that it was probably because he came back too early from the previous injury....... You don't think anyone on the staff can share some of the blame?

[Carson53]

He was being treated for a hamstring injury and got another hamstring injury. The evidence is prima facie. You can't make this stuff up.

[lazur]

Oct 22, 2022 15:43:43 GMT -5 Carson53 said:

He was being treated for a hamstring injury and got another hamstring injury. The evidence is prima facie. You can't make this stuff up.

It’s the offseason. I bet any of you. He isn’t training during the offseason. Then camp comes and he does a few football moves. Out goes the hammy. In the keys. It’s the first to go

[ctnygfan1156]

You do know if you hurt your right leg you tend to favor it, stressing your left leg making it more susceptible to injury. So it's probably not uncommon to at least stress your good leg and maybe injuring it as you rehab and heal a bad leg.

I'm sure the Giants can tell who is and isn't working out during the offseason and tailor their first few practices around that. They don't put guys who have not worked out through a full workload from day 1.

[Big Red]

Oct 22, 2022 15:43:43 GMT -5 Carson53 said:

He was being treated for a hamstring injury and got another hamstring injury. The evidence is prima facie. You can't make this stuff up.

I would love you in court.