Post by calliesdad2019 on Feb 5, 2020 9:02:42 GMT -5
For me the major part of the problem is that relies on the same people He trusts advisers he has known for years, too — like his brother, Chris, the Giants’ senior vice president of player personnel; and his nephew, Tim McDonnell, the team’s assistant director of player personnel. Mara highly respects McDonnell’s talent evaluating skills.
From the article
But as other front offices get younger — the Browns just hired 32-year-old Andrew Berry as general manager — the Giants are a home office for old-school football: Mara is 65. Co-owner Steve Tisch, who says he will become more involved in football decisions, is 70. General manager Dave Gettleman is 68. And Accorsi, who is one of Mara’s most trusted advisers, is 78.
It’s exactly why this team is stuck in the past and can’t win games. They don’t step outside the box, they don’t hire outside the box, they don’t think outside the box, they don’t bring in young and progressive thinkers (minus Judge which is an odd decision regardless), they surround themselves with an old school mentality and think they can still win despite their performance over the past 8 years.
You know the whole insanity deal, keep doing the same thing over and over again...
“The best franchises in the NFL are able to be run without emotion,” Schwartz said. “They stuck with Eli for way too long, and they haven’t been able to reset their franchise.”
Mara will always run the team with too much emotion IMO. Hopefully Judge will be ruthless enough to counteract Mara's shortcomings (like Coughlin was able to do).
I understand about being grateful to a player for helping a team win titles, but at some point you have to cut the cord. Keeping Eli at a huge salary when he was done for the last few years, hurt this team . They should have moved on a few years ago.
If as a franchise , you don't move on from great players as they age and lose production, you end up like the Celtics of the 80's- early 90's, who out of loyalty wouldn't move Mchale , and then age and injury doomed the team to years of being bad . Altho Len Bias death also major contributed .
In MLB the Phillies won a title in 2008, lost in WS in 2009 , were good up till about 2011, then all their players got old at the same time, and they were very bad . It is always better to get rid of a player a year too soon, rather than a year too late- that is what bellichick does all the time . As for the idea the giants would never have cut or traded Eli , much better players than Eli moved on , from Montana to Peyton to Willie Mays , there are a ton of examples .
Post by ctnygfan1156 on Feb 8, 2020 8:55:09 GMT -5
It's an interesting article and I think there's a lot there. It's easy for us and any outsider to sit here and offer opinions and suggestions, recommendations etc. because we're on the outside looking in. We aren't the people who grew up watching their dad run a team a certain way for years and being pretty successful. Being exposed to a certain culture day in and day out for 50 years. We aren't the ones who are sitting there having to make decisions that half the people will applaud you for having the courage to cut someone loose a year early and the other half will question why especially if you don't have a viable replacement. First as far as the owners go and their ages, they aren't going anywhere. There is no way any Mara is going to sell this team so that idea should aromatically be thrown out the window. As far as Mara's age and Tisch's age there are many other owners in the NFL as old if not older than they are. As far as GM's go and age, it's only been in the last few years that teams have started trusting younger GM's. There have been successes and there have been failures. You aren't guaranteed success because you're under 50. As far as trust goes it's probably a fine line between hiring someone you've known for many years, who has piled up experience and a proven track record and taking a chance on some unknown commodity with no track record. Look at Sean McVeigh, last year top of the world, this year under scrutiny. Look at Andy Reid, all those great teams that just couldn't get over the hump until now. If you had the choice who do you pick and why ? As far as letting players go there are plenty example of teams that hung onto players too long, players that moved on and flopped and players that were successful for a few years after they were let go. In some sports its easier to cover an aging player than others. The late 80's Celtics were mentioned. As a Celtics fan the death's of Lenny Bias and Reggie Lewis impacted them more than the deterioration of the original big 3. I look more at a Mickey Mantle who wanted to keep playing and the Yankees kept him a shell of his old self. His biggest regret was playing that last year and seeing his career BA fall under .300. But how many people still came out to see The Mick ? There was probably as much grumbling back then just no social media or chat rooms to see and hear it. Until Jim Bouton the media treated these guys like gods. Unfortunately in the NFL it may take a season or two to realize Flowers and Apple were busts and then you probably don't want to admit it or give up on someone only to have them go somewhere else and blossom, like a Brett Farve after Atlanta got rid of him. While Belicheck should and does get credit for cutting players loose none are the status of a Brady within the franchise or the Giants equivalent being Eli. He may get rid of very good players not icons but he also has a viable replacement. Now if he cut Brady loose in favor of Jimmy G a few years ago that would have been noteworthy.
It's a very good article but I think it's looking at things on paper like you would playing Madden. There is no human element in it, no digging deeper into the why's of decision making and it's way too easy for us as outsiders to agree or disagree.
It's like the scene in the Batman movie where Heath Ledger plays the Joker, The two boats, one with the cons and one with regular people are given the switch to set off a bomb blowing the other ship up so they can save themselves. Everybody talks big until they have the switch in their hand and no one can bring themselves to actually push the button blowing up the other ship. If we were Mara and all things being equal could we push the switch ?
daytripper: NFT= non football topic? i didnt know that. im old and trying to keep up lol
Jan 23, 2020 10:35:16 GMT -5
56801steve: and he's staying as classless as he is
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56801steve: so he'll pay a fine.
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56801steve: he actually slapped a cops but, hard. he was 'lit up', but forgiveness isnt given for being drunk a bit.
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rjb2006: The Eagles just made chicken salad with 1/2their team consisting of subs and practice squad players...
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frateb: man, for a second i thought detroit was going to pull this one out... i think that would have given us a chance to get as low as 2nd again?
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56801steve: i really like your signature, negative v positive outlooks.....its so true
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UncleJoe10: I thought Buck Allen ran hard and would keep him aboard as a nice power running back up to Saquan.
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bronxpinstripes: Danny Dimes solved the fumbling problem against the Packers by throwing 3 INTs instead.
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rodney27: You're right about the fumbling problem, tl65taog. I just don't think it can be fixed. He had in preseason, has it at a record pace now, and had the same problem at Duke. If he hasn't fixed it in all that time...I just don't know if he can.
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tl65taog: yes the fumbling problem has to be fixed, but you have to be fair about it
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