Post by Sunshine on Apr 27, 2018 18:07:04 GMT -5
I’ll be rooting for Barkley to be the next Barry Sanders. I’ll be rooting for Manning to have a career revival (maybe his mediocrity was due to Mcadoo and Reese). I’ll be rooting for Davis Webb to be the next great Giants QB when he gets the chance to play.
No one knows how this will play out. Ten years from now, Gettleman may be considered the biggest buffoon in New York sports if Darnold goes on to become a franchise QB and wins championships while Barkley has a few knee surgeries (RBs get hurt so frequently) and follows the career path of Reggie Bush. On the other hand, Gettleman will be considered a genius if Barkley helps the Giants win another championship while Darnold struggles to establish himself as a starting QB.
Gettleman set himself up for ridicule with his “touched by god” statement. Not smart, couch potato. If Barkley doesn’t perform up to expectations, Gettleman will never hear the end of it. The comment is reminiscent of the “JPP of tight ends” remark.
I don’t know, maybe Barkley was the right pick, I hope so. Admittedly, I lean in the direction of believing that Gettleman is a dinosaur, a relic from the past who is too old, too lost, to be running an NFL team in the contemporary age. He ridicules analytics but he can’t articulate a coherent argument against them.
J.Stewart hasn't lost anything even though the facts are very clear on this? I hope the Giants aren’t the new Knicks, but a few recent decisions must concern even the least discerning Giants fan: (1) firing Coughlin while keeping Reese and Ross in the building; (2) hiring Ben Mcadoo; (3) benching Eli for Geno Smith.
A well run organization doesn’t make moves like this, just like a well run organization doesn’t hire Isiah Thomas. Is Gettleman more of the same or was he a step in the right direction? That’s the million dollar question and we will just have to wait and see how it plays out. As a fan, I’m trying to remain optimistic, but I’m not convinced that Gettleman was the right GM for this team. I would have preferred a younger GM, someone who takes the analytics into account when making football decisions.
Here is an interesting post from BBI; it could turn out to be correct, it could turn out to be wrong:
As a Giants fan, I’m going to hope that this organization is headed in the right direction and hope that Barkley was the right pick. But like everything else, this will ultimately be decided on the field. Are the Giants going to succeed over the next few years? Do they have a long term plan at QB? Can Eli still play at a high level? Is Barkley really special or another Reggie Bush? Did the Giants pass on the next great QB in Sam Darnold? Will Gettleman leave the organization in disgrace? Will the Giants be in the market for a new GM, head coach, and starting QB a few years from now?
No one knows how this will play out. Ten years from now, Gettleman may be considered the biggest buffoon in New York sports if Darnold goes on to become a franchise QB and wins championships while Barkley has a few knee surgeries (RBs get hurt so frequently) and follows the career path of Reggie Bush. On the other hand, Gettleman will be considered a genius if Barkley helps the Giants win another championship while Darnold struggles to establish himself as a starting QB.
Gettleman set himself up for ridicule with his “touched by god” statement. Not smart, couch potato. If Barkley doesn’t perform up to expectations, Gettleman will never hear the end of it. The comment is reminiscent of the “JPP of tight ends” remark.
I don’t know, maybe Barkley was the right pick, I hope so. Admittedly, I lean in the direction of believing that Gettleman is a dinosaur, a relic from the past who is too old, too lost, to be running an NFL team in the contemporary age. He ridicules analytics but he can’t articulate a coherent argument against them.
"I think a lot of that stuff is nonsense. I think it is someone who had decided to get into the analytics of it and went through whatever. Jonathan Stewart is in his tenth year and he has not lost anything. I don’t believe in that. I don’t care who you take, they can all get hurt."
J.Stewart hasn't lost anything even though the facts are very clear on this? I hope the Giants aren’t the new Knicks, but a few recent decisions must concern even the least discerning Giants fan: (1) firing Coughlin while keeping Reese and Ross in the building; (2) hiring Ben Mcadoo; (3) benching Eli for Geno Smith.
A well run organization doesn’t make moves like this, just like a well run organization doesn’t hire Isiah Thomas. Is Gettleman more of the same or was he a step in the right direction? That’s the million dollar question and we will just have to wait and see how it plays out. As a fan, I’m trying to remain optimistic, but I’m not convinced that Gettleman was the right GM for this team. I would have preferred a younger GM, someone who takes the analytics into account when making football decisions.
Here is an interesting post from BBI; it could turn out to be correct, it could turn out to be wrong:
As New York sports fans, we know a thing or two about having some of the worst owners, GMs and overall management in all of sports. Sometimes it makes you want to go on a furious rampage. Sometimes you just want to curl up in a ball and ask yourself why you care. Billy King, Isaiah Thomas, Scott Layden, Slats, the Islanders for 30 years, the Mets for 30 years…and now the Giants.
Over his time with the Giants, Jerry Reese had his share of hits and misses. As the misses began to outweigh the hits (and loads of our guys had career-altering injuries), time was called on the Reese-era and rightly so. It was time to move in a new direction and lay the groundwork for the next great era of Giants football. Unfortunately for all of us who care about Giants wins and losses, it appears that we have a new guy in the on-deck circle for the NY sports management Hall of Clowns.
What do we know about Dave Gettleman? We know he drafted a running back in the top 10 last year. We know he drafted a running back at number two this year. We know he signed a running back with nothing left in the tank to a contract worth more than the minimum. We can infer that he abides by a stone-age philosophy of putting a lot of resources into running backs.
What else do we know? We know his drafts in Carolina were consistently mediocre. After a very nice first two picks in 2013 in Star Lotulelei and Kawann Short, he came away with very little top-end talent in the next four drafts. Nabbing OG Trai Turner in the 3rd round in 2014 was an outstanding pick, the type the Giants could have desperately used sometime in the last five years, but beyond that, there are few, if any, “plus” picks. He spent a #1 and 2 #2’s on wide receivers and came away with Kelvin Benjamin, Devin Funchess, and Curtis Samuel, which is indicative of his overall hit rate in the draft. Across the board, he found a mix of adequate players and nobodies. Not a disaster, but not confidence inspiring either.
What else do we know? We know that he claimed positional value is, “a crock.” We know he said, “I think a lot of that stuff is nonsense. I think it’s someone who had decided to get into the analytics of it and went through whatever . . . At the end of the day, a great player is a great player.” The cliched nonsense of a doddering, old fool. THIS is the philosophy of a senior leader of a multi-million dollar organization tasked with complex analyses, assessing tradeoffs, establishing a long-term strategy, and understanding how to assemble a team with dozens of moving parts. Imagine a senior executive at your company explaining an important decision in those terms. “Hey we really liked this thing and those other companies who analyze stuff, that’s not really for us.” Not exactly confidence-inspiring.
Finally, we know that he’s 67 years old. Based on his age, his comments, and his actions, we can infer that he’s in this for the short-term. I sincerely hope that all of my BBI brethren are around 3 years from now. Gettleman will not be. He doesn’t care. He could’ve set us up for the future by picking a QB or trading down and building out the roster. Instead we got a running back who needs to perform at or near his projected ceiling to provide even a miniscule amount of surplus value for his draft position and salary. Gettleman’s retort to that I’m sure would be something like, “Surplus? What are you talking about. I’m talkin’ football players here.”
So where are we now? We’re nowhere. We’re “building” on the base of a team that wins around 6 games per year with some variability based on injuries, breaks, and performance in close games. Where are we in 3 years? Worse than nowhere. We have a couple of great players, a couple of good players, a lot of holes, and no QB. We’ll have some exciting plays with Beckham and “touched by God” Barkley. We’ll have a few moments on defense. Beyond that’s we’re set up to be extremely mediocre and bland for the foreseeable future.
At a time when smart, modernized teams like the Eagles are breaking down every part of football operations in excruciating detail to maximize their on-field performance and off-field operations, we’re stuck with a dinosaur who says, “I think this guy was touched by God, so let’s pick him.” It’s embarrassing and it’s a real shame for anybody who cares about how the Giants perform on the football field.
corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=568276
Over his time with the Giants, Jerry Reese had his share of hits and misses. As the misses began to outweigh the hits (and loads of our guys had career-altering injuries), time was called on the Reese-era and rightly so. It was time to move in a new direction and lay the groundwork for the next great era of Giants football. Unfortunately for all of us who care about Giants wins and losses, it appears that we have a new guy in the on-deck circle for the NY sports management Hall of Clowns.
What do we know about Dave Gettleman? We know he drafted a running back in the top 10 last year. We know he drafted a running back at number two this year. We know he signed a running back with nothing left in the tank to a contract worth more than the minimum. We can infer that he abides by a stone-age philosophy of putting a lot of resources into running backs.
What else do we know? We know his drafts in Carolina were consistently mediocre. After a very nice first two picks in 2013 in Star Lotulelei and Kawann Short, he came away with very little top-end talent in the next four drafts. Nabbing OG Trai Turner in the 3rd round in 2014 was an outstanding pick, the type the Giants could have desperately used sometime in the last five years, but beyond that, there are few, if any, “plus” picks. He spent a #1 and 2 #2’s on wide receivers and came away with Kelvin Benjamin, Devin Funchess, and Curtis Samuel, which is indicative of his overall hit rate in the draft. Across the board, he found a mix of adequate players and nobodies. Not a disaster, but not confidence inspiring either.
What else do we know? We know that he claimed positional value is, “a crock.” We know he said, “I think a lot of that stuff is nonsense. I think it’s someone who had decided to get into the analytics of it and went through whatever . . . At the end of the day, a great player is a great player.” The cliched nonsense of a doddering, old fool. THIS is the philosophy of a senior leader of a multi-million dollar organization tasked with complex analyses, assessing tradeoffs, establishing a long-term strategy, and understanding how to assemble a team with dozens of moving parts. Imagine a senior executive at your company explaining an important decision in those terms. “Hey we really liked this thing and those other companies who analyze stuff, that’s not really for us.” Not exactly confidence-inspiring.
Finally, we know that he’s 67 years old. Based on his age, his comments, and his actions, we can infer that he’s in this for the short-term. I sincerely hope that all of my BBI brethren are around 3 years from now. Gettleman will not be. He doesn’t care. He could’ve set us up for the future by picking a QB or trading down and building out the roster. Instead we got a running back who needs to perform at or near his projected ceiling to provide even a miniscule amount of surplus value for his draft position and salary. Gettleman’s retort to that I’m sure would be something like, “Surplus? What are you talking about. I’m talkin’ football players here.”
So where are we now? We’re nowhere. We’re “building” on the base of a team that wins around 6 games per year with some variability based on injuries, breaks, and performance in close games. Where are we in 3 years? Worse than nowhere. We have a couple of great players, a couple of good players, a lot of holes, and no QB. We’ll have some exciting plays with Beckham and “touched by God” Barkley. We’ll have a few moments on defense. Beyond that’s we’re set up to be extremely mediocre and bland for the foreseeable future.
At a time when smart, modernized teams like the Eagles are breaking down every part of football operations in excruciating detail to maximize their on-field performance and off-field operations, we’re stuck with a dinosaur who says, “I think this guy was touched by God, so let’s pick him.” It’s embarrassing and it’s a real shame for anybody who cares about how the Giants perform on the football field.
corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=568276
As a Giants fan, I’m going to hope that this organization is headed in the right direction and hope that Barkley was the right pick. But like everything else, this will ultimately be decided on the field. Are the Giants going to succeed over the next few years? Do they have a long term plan at QB? Can Eli still play at a high level? Is Barkley really special or another Reggie Bush? Did the Giants pass on the next great QB in Sam Darnold? Will Gettleman leave the organization in disgrace? Will the Giants be in the market for a new GM, head coach, and starting QB a few years from now?