Post by calliesdad2019 on Dec 14, 2019 15:48:50 GMT -5
Here is what they say about the giants and here's the whole list
www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28276535/ranking-best-worst-potential-nfl-head-coaching-openings-2019
8. New York Giants
Biggest strength: Market
Biggest weakness: Lack of talent
The NFC East is a fun place, huh? I'd rank the 2-11 Giants narrowly ahead of their 3-10 divisional rivals in Washington, if only because ownership hasn't directly undercut or sold out the coaching staff as frequently as Snyder has over the past 20 years. The Giants have generally been a patient organization to a fault, although those days might have ended once Tom Coughlin left town. If Pat Shurmur is fired after two seasons in charge, the Giants will search for their third non-interim head coach in five years. Before Shurmur and Ben McAdoo, the only Giants coach since 1931 to be fired after just two seasons in charge was Ray Handley.
The bigger question might be whether general manager Dave Gettleman follows Shurmur out the door. Gettleman's two-year run in charge of the Giants has been disastrous, and while the former Panthers GM inherited a roster bereft of young talent, his moves have done little to shore things up. His controversial decision to draft running back Saquon Barkley with the second overall pick has not aged well; as talented as Barkley clearly is, he hasn't been able to single-handedly build a running game, which is what he needed to do to justify being selected over the likes of quarterback Sam Darnold and guard Quenton Nelson, let alone the best runner in his class, Lamar Jackson. Other 2018 picks such as guard Will Hernandez and outside linebacker Lorenzo Carter don't appear to be difference-makers after two seasons.
The jury is still out Gettleman's two draft classes, but 2019 first-rounder DeAndre Baker has been one of the worst corners -- and starters -- in football so far. Gettleman's best selection so far, adjusting for draft position, has likely been fifth-round pick Darius Slayton. The problem, of course, is that Slayton has taken the spot in the lineup that previously belonged to franchise icon Odell Beckham Jr. While Beckham has had an underwhelming season in Cleveland, retaining him would have given rookie quarterback Daniel Jones a legitimate No. 1 receiver.
Jones' first season has been inconsistent. After leading the Giants to a comeback victory over the Bucs and a win over Washington, he lost eight straight before going down with a high ankle sprain. He hasn't had much help up front, but he has shown virtually no pocket awareness. Jones has fumbled 15 times in 11 games, and while his stat line is several grades above that of Haskins, a lot of it has been thanks to friendly matchups. He threw 10 touchdown passes without an interception against the Bucs (who rank 19th in pass defense DVOA), Lions (25th) and Jets (22nd). He has otherwise thrown eight touchdown passes against 11 picks in his other
matchups.
Even if you think it's too early to evaluate the draft picks, Gettleman's decisions with veterans have gone horribly. He made former Patriots left tackle Nate Solder the highest-paid offensive lineman in league history in the spring of 2018, but Solder has allowed 17.5 sacks, per Stats LCC data, over the ensuing two seasons. Gettleman followed by signing guard Patrick Omameh to a three-year, $15.5 million deal, only to cut Omameh after seven games. Adding 31-year-old receiver Golden Tate made little sense for a rebuilding team, as did bizarre trades for the likes of linebacker Alec Ogletree and defensive lineman Leonard Williams. Gettleman's plan to build around running the football and "hog mollies" seemed antiquated, but the Ravens have built their offensive philosophy around that model and have the league's best offense. The problem is that the players Gettleman has acquired to fill out his plan aren't good enough to pull it off.
As a result, I'm not sure who the Giants should even consider targeting to rebuild their rebuild. If they don't fire Gettleman, they'll end up with a mismatched general manager and coach who are incentivized to do different things by their relative job security, the same issue that plagued the Jets for years. Most teams would target a quarterback guru to try to work with Jones as he enters Year 2, but the Giants would be firing an offense-minded coach in Shurmur and have one of the league's worst defenses.
When I asked ESPN Giants reporter Jordan Raanan whom he would hire, the name he brought up was Baylor coach Matt Rhule. The 44-year-old was once the Giants' assistant offensive line coach and turned down an opportunity to take the Jets job last year when he wasn't allowed to pick his own offensive coordinator. Rhule understandably wants to build an organization in his own image. Can he -- or anybody with his level of credibility -- do that with Gettleman in the building?
When I asked ESPN Giants reporter Jordan Raanan whom he would hire, the name he brought up was Baylor coach Matt Rhule. The 44-year-old was once the Giants' assistant offensive line coach and turned down an opportunity to take the Jets job last year when he wasn't allowed to pick his own offensive coordinator. Rhule understandably wants to build an organization in his own image. Can he -- or anybody with his level of credibility -- do that with Gettleman in the building?
www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28276535/ranking-best-worst-potential-nfl-head-coaching-openings-2019
8. New York Giants
Biggest strength: Market
Biggest weakness: Lack of talent
The NFC East is a fun place, huh? I'd rank the 2-11 Giants narrowly ahead of their 3-10 divisional rivals in Washington, if only because ownership hasn't directly undercut or sold out the coaching staff as frequently as Snyder has over the past 20 years. The Giants have generally been a patient organization to a fault, although those days might have ended once Tom Coughlin left town. If Pat Shurmur is fired after two seasons in charge, the Giants will search for their third non-interim head coach in five years. Before Shurmur and Ben McAdoo, the only Giants coach since 1931 to be fired after just two seasons in charge was Ray Handley.
The bigger question might be whether general manager Dave Gettleman follows Shurmur out the door. Gettleman's two-year run in charge of the Giants has been disastrous, and while the former Panthers GM inherited a roster bereft of young talent, his moves have done little to shore things up. His controversial decision to draft running back Saquon Barkley with the second overall pick has not aged well; as talented as Barkley clearly is, he hasn't been able to single-handedly build a running game, which is what he needed to do to justify being selected over the likes of quarterback Sam Darnold and guard Quenton Nelson, let alone the best runner in his class, Lamar Jackson. Other 2018 picks such as guard Will Hernandez and outside linebacker Lorenzo Carter don't appear to be difference-makers after two seasons.
The jury is still out Gettleman's two draft classes, but 2019 first-rounder DeAndre Baker has been one of the worst corners -- and starters -- in football so far. Gettleman's best selection so far, adjusting for draft position, has likely been fifth-round pick Darius Slayton. The problem, of course, is that Slayton has taken the spot in the lineup that previously belonged to franchise icon Odell Beckham Jr. While Beckham has had an underwhelming season in Cleveland, retaining him would have given rookie quarterback Daniel Jones a legitimate No. 1 receiver.
Jones' first season has been inconsistent. After leading the Giants to a comeback victory over the Bucs and a win over Washington, he lost eight straight before going down with a high ankle sprain. He hasn't had much help up front, but he has shown virtually no pocket awareness. Jones has fumbled 15 times in 11 games, and while his stat line is several grades above that of Haskins, a lot of it has been thanks to friendly matchups. He threw 10 touchdown passes without an interception against the Bucs (who rank 19th in pass defense DVOA), Lions (25th) and Jets (22nd). He has otherwise thrown eight touchdown passes against 11 picks in his other
matchups.
Even if you think it's too early to evaluate the draft picks, Gettleman's decisions with veterans have gone horribly. He made former Patriots left tackle Nate Solder the highest-paid offensive lineman in league history in the spring of 2018, but Solder has allowed 17.5 sacks, per Stats LCC data, over the ensuing two seasons. Gettleman followed by signing guard Patrick Omameh to a three-year, $15.5 million deal, only to cut Omameh after seven games. Adding 31-year-old receiver Golden Tate made little sense for a rebuilding team, as did bizarre trades for the likes of linebacker Alec Ogletree and defensive lineman Leonard Williams. Gettleman's plan to build around running the football and "hog mollies" seemed antiquated, but the Ravens have built their offensive philosophy around that model and have the league's best offense. The problem is that the players Gettleman has acquired to fill out his plan aren't good enough to pull it off.
As a result, I'm not sure who the Giants should even consider targeting to rebuild their rebuild. If they don't fire Gettleman, they'll end up with a mismatched general manager and coach who are incentivized to do different things by their relative job security, the same issue that plagued the Jets for years. Most teams would target a quarterback guru to try to work with Jones as he enters Year 2, but the Giants would be firing an offense-minded coach in Shurmur and have one of the league's worst defenses.
When I asked ESPN Giants reporter Jordan Raanan whom he would hire, the name he brought up was Baylor coach Matt Rhule. The 44-year-old was once the Giants' assistant offensive line coach and turned down an opportunity to take the Jets job last year when he wasn't allowed to pick his own offensive coordinator. Rhule understandably wants to build an organization in his own image. Can he -- or anybody with his level of credibility -- do that with Gettleman in the building?
When I asked ESPN Giants reporter Jordan Raanan whom he would hire, the name he brought up was Baylor coach Matt Rhule. The 44-year-old was once the Giants' assistant offensive line coach and turned down an opportunity to take the Jets job last year when he wasn't allowed to pick his own offensive coordinator. Rhule understandably wants to build an organization in his own image. Can he -- or anybody with his level of credibility -- do that with Gettleman in the building?